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Date: 2009-06-13 05:52 am (UTC)
elf: Chambered nautilus hiding in shell (Hiding in my Shell)
From: [personal profile] elf
While I don't have any entries for this at the moment (might try to round up some this weekend; might not--end of school year & family life is beyond stressed), I did try to roundup links for the "No Pity, No Shame, No Silence meme that hit LJ a few years ago. 104 posts in my memories, many of which have since been f'locked.

Don't know if it's appropriate to link to things that aren't posts, or relevant to link to things that are (OMG) almost 5 years old.

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Date: 2009-06-13 07:03 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
[livejournal.com profile] ubixtiz is tagging various subthreads of the original post on del.icio.us.

It may seem unnecessary, but I would also put a trigger warning on every link in this post, and a "may make your head explode" warning on anything written by nellorat (though obviously not everyone agrees with me on that).

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Date: 2009-06-13 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fifi

I agree so hard on this that it overcomes everyone who doesn't. Seriously, but I knew fail was coming because: 1) Nellorat-- but also because on the previous entry: 2) This is a price I am completely willing to have paid, though, and I actually do understand a lot of the areas, in me and in others, fairly well. See you next entry for a few ideas I think were held by "the other side" and I think are particularly erroneous and/or hurt-causing.

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Date: 2009-06-13 11:17 pm (UTC)
fridgepunk: A sign on garrus' back reading "Shoot a rocket into my ugly stupid face" (Default)
From: [personal profile] fridgepunk
Didn't womzilla cause shit during racefail as well?

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Date: 2009-06-13 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fifi
Notorious for their concern trolling and derailment.

I was hoping they'd learned something from Racefail and then they turned up @ cereta's, and again I hoped they'd learned and then they came up with that "Insidious Ideas" Post a.k.a. My very reasonable-sounding fuckery, let me show you it.

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Date: 2009-06-14 05:29 pm (UTC)
lady_ganesh: A pink lotus floating in a bowl (lotus)
From: [personal profile] lady_ganesh
A friend of mine said that Nellorat has been like this for something like six years. So...yeah.

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Date: 2009-06-16 01:47 am (UTC)
aquaeri: My nose is being washed by my cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] aquaeri
It's incredibly well-intentioned and it's very hard to get past that to the actual damage it causes, but some of us are actually working on it.

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Date: 2009-06-16 02:38 am (UTC)
mystic_rhythms: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mystic_rhythms
I see [livejournal.com profile] vee_ecks has also been busy reinforcing his "do not engage - utterly not worth it" status in this discussion as well!

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Date: 2009-06-16 05:33 pm (UTC)
liv: cartoon of me with long plait, teapot and purple outfit (mini-me)
From: [personal profile] liv
I am a bit bored of everybody expressing frustration with [profile] nellorat. OK, she was very vocal in the early part of the thread and said some annoying things, but that's so the least important thing that has come out of the whole discussion.

A couple of dissenting posts that I think are more worth considering:
Letters from Gehenna: Frameworks and Fireworks
Trinityva: I can't really comment on this...
Both provide intelligent and thoughtful and non-derailing approaches to the question of sexual violence outside the context of male abusers versus female victims. They're challenging pieces, and probably not the right thing for people to read if they're drawn to [personal profile] cereta's post as the first ever safe space they've been able to use to talk about the gendered nature of rape. But for people who want to take the discussion to a more sophisticated level, I think these posts have a lot more content than [profile] nellorat intentionally misunderstanding things.

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Date: 2009-06-13 07:50 am (UTC)
torachan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] torachan
Oh, thanks for this. I read Cereta's original post and a couple of the responses, but hadn't seen most of the others.


Date: 2009-06-13 11:31 am (UTC)
cesy: "Cesy" - An old-fashioned quill and ink (Default)
From: [personal profile] cesy
[livejournal.com profile] lavendersparkle had a post.

Not related

Date: 2009-06-13 11:51 am (UTC)
coffeeandink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coffeeandink
http://bearsir.livejournal.com/346600.html - Call for submissions for trans anthology with intensive discussion of vocabulary and self-identification in the comments

This is not part of the rape discussion

Date: 2009-06-13 04:07 pm (UTC)
jonquil: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jonquil
Debbie Reese's post about being stopped for driving while not-white (I don't know her preferred term for her skin color) is here:

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Date: 2009-06-13 07:15 pm (UTC)
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