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[personal profile] franzeska: Not Really a Comics Fan: Superheroes, Manga, vitriol, and the OTW
Aside from excoriating various strawmen parts of fandom, the other reason for this post is that I'd like people to take a long, hard look at that anime/manga vs. "comics"/"cartoons" divide. Western fans of sequential art seem to take it as a given that these things are fundamentally different on some basic, profound level, but should we be doing that really? Every time I have a fundamental difference pointed out to me, it's something that distinguishes one small subset from another small subset or something that's on average more true of one or the other. It's never a genuine difference between the majority of things in one group and the majority of things in the other.

[personal profile] branchandroot: The difference between manga and comics
I agree that fuzzy Orientalism is the most regrettably common way Western fans of similar media from different national/ethnic groups (eg comics and manga) express their differentiation. That particular expression is generally a lot of hot air, yes.

But I also think there are real fan-culture differences, touching on though not always rising directly from the mother-culture differences of the sources. This is my attempt to articulate the ones that I've seen.

[personal profile] ceitean: demographics in animanga fandom - no, really, they're important
I've (unfortunately) seen everything mentioned in [personal profile] branchandroot's post -- the fuzzy Orientalism, the strange homophobic embracing of yaoi, the tendency to brush gender issues under the table, all of it. But I've also seen a rising tendency for animanga fandom to correct itself on these issues. And from what I've seen, that tendency seems to come with age.

[personal profile] wistfuljane: A Rant In Non-Linear Form
I think for many people who scoffs at fans for being angry at translators and publishers for not keeping cultural conventions such as names and honorifics, they do not understand the personal issue rooted here. It's an issue of cultural appropriation, yes. But for me, it's more a matter of losing an identity and being redefined.

[personal profile] wistfuljane: Race Discourse: Bringing Anxiety Attacks Since The Beginning of Time
Here's something else: just as animanga is seen as an open safe space for females, it (the English-speaking corners) is also seen as an open safe space for Asian-Americans, other English-speaking Asians and to a lesser extent People of Color (hello media written about Asians by Asians! hello culture and characters with which they can identify! hello media not about white people!). Or it's supposed to. It is made unsafe by the rampant of fetishism and exoticization of Asian culture and people by mostly white animanga fans.

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[livejournal.com profile] yuki_onna: Winpunk
I don't think this really deserves an entry of its own, but it has been brought to my attention that the Powers That Be at Realms of Fantasy have been posting to Facebook and dismissing not only my entire post about the women-only issue, but all argument about it anywhere because I also mentioned email submissions. (I believe I am the only person to mention email submissions, in the context of other debates RoF might want to respond to editorially.)

[livejournal.com profile] giandujakiss: I'm not into science fiction, I know nothing about publishing, and I've never read Realms of Fantasy
People publish their friends; people solicit stories from their friends. People mention to their friends what they're looking for, and remind them of deadlines. And when the editors are male, their author-friends will be, too. So I don't really have a lot of faith in the knee-jerk response of "but there were no women to choose from!" Because it implies that reaching out to women authors is necessary to get women interested, or something, instead of necessary to counterbalance the existing outreach that is directed only to men, except that it's called networking, not male outreach.

[personal profile] jonquil: On Writing
[livejournal.com profile] jonquil: On Writing (same post as above -- different site, different comments)
Which brings me to the case of Realms of Fantasy's submission invitation. To a writer, there's a genuine difference between "girl writers", "lady writers", "women writers", and "female writers". Talking about that difference is talking about the heart of writing. It's not a digression.

[livejournal.com profile] julieandrews: Realms of Fantasy All-Women Issue
All-Women Contributors versus Women-Themed Issue: I think the latter would have gotten a better reception, if been a little trickier to pull off well. Don't you think a fantasy story about Madam Curie written by a man would be potentially feminist and well within theme? And perhaps better to feature a story like that than a story written by a woman where a boy comes of age by joining the Dragon Corps? (Not that I wouldn't want to read both.)

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