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Gender (Realms of Fantasy Women's Issue)

Edited after first posting to remove: notes about warnings (meant to be working, not in text of Linkspam), and to add "blockquote" html to the quotes (which are from the OPs).

Jay O'Connell @ Realms of Fantasy Announcing August 2011 “Women in Fantasy” themed issue

Realms of Fantasy is planning a special themed issue for August 2011, the theme being women in fantasy. This theme will be addressed in all three departments of the magazine, i.e. nonfiction, art, and fiction. So we’re putting out the official word that we’re looking for submissions from the fiction writers out there.

[ profile] jimhines Realms of Fantasy’s All-Women Issue

Realms of Fantasy is doing a “Women in Fantasy” issue. For this issue, they’ll only be accepting stories by female authors.

I’ve got a number of opinions on this, but for once I’m going to keep those to myself, at least to start with.

[ profile] yuki_onna ALL GIRL ACTION

So Realms of Fantasy is having an all women-authors issue.

And how do you feel about that, brain?

Well, it's always good for women to get published. But on the other hand, I feel certain that there have been all male issues without calling them THE ALL DUDE REVUE.

[ profile] fiction_theory Untitled

Yuki_onna on how Realms of Fantasy's "all female issue" is not so great actually... Her comment about what the cover of the issue might be did stir some thoughts in me.

[ profile] truepenny Quarantining the Girl Cooties

I think there's a point in the process of opening a genre where the Very Special Episode Issue is a good thing, when what you're saying with it is, HEY! There are enough [women/African-Americans/GLBT writers/writers with disabilities/etc.] doing excellent work in our field to fill A WHOLE ISSUE! Maybe we should all be PAYING ATTENTION!

But, returning to the specific circumstances, that's really not where women SF writers are anymore, and hasn't been for, jeez, thirty years.

[ profile] girliejones the latest in female presence in SF ToCs

Instead it sets up a series of assumptions - in the world where Douglas Cohen is only selecting from female submitters, he will select the best stories and put together a female-heavy ToC. But he is unable to do that under other circumstances. That says to me that the problem is not with the submissions.

[ profile] cassiphone Realms of Fantasy: now for Ladies!

Publishing is a meritocracy. But merit is subjective, and it is fluid. Editors who read “without considering matters or gender, race or author background” and yet consistently publish work which is about the default white male gaze do need to be challenged by their audience, if that audience has an interest in diversity in fiction. Sometimes affirmative action, of whatever kind, is necessary to help editors (not necessarily male editors) find value in stories that they might have missed out on otherwise – not because they are deliberately creating a culture of sexism (or racism, etc, let’s stick to sexism for now) but because their actions and to some extent their personal taste are unconsciously supporting said culture.

[ profile] douglascohen Well, now...

It appears I have accidentally ruffled some feathers (to put it mildly) with the announcement about the women in fantasy issue. In particular, I'm referring to how the use of "girls" and "ladies" has bothered some people...

[ profile] catherineldf Special issues and the "Other," variously defined

Science fiction and fantasy markets are not, in fact, a level playing field, and pretending that it is otherwise is naive. The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, The Mammoth Book of Mindboggling Science Fiction, the Hugo Awards and far, far too many anthologies and magazines and awards to count are male-dominated and/or exclusively a boy's club. The most recognizable names in the genre are male. If you survey an average reader fan at an average con (i.e. not WisCon) on what they read, you get a list that generally includes Jordan, Heinlein, Asimov, maybe Stephenson, Gaiman - in short, the usual bestselling suspects.

[ profile] copperwise The Women in Fantasy issue of Realms of Fantasy

Yesterday Doug announced that he is taking submissions for a Women in Fantasy issue.

This issue came about because of an article that I pitched for the Gallery. I wanted to do an article about the evolution of images of the feminine in fantasy art...chicks in chain mail, ethereal floaty princesses, excessive breasts and women kneeling at the feet of warriors...up to the kind of powerful and dignified women that most of us would like to see, and the artists who are doing those kinds of images of women in fantasy art.

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Date: 2010-01-07 09:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] holyschist
This is an interesting topic, so thank you all for collecting the links.

However, I'm finding this new format with the [clear of warnings] somewhat confusing. Perhaps there could be an explanation on the next post?

Does adding that level of commentary open up linkspam to the same criticisms that caused problems before, since it relies on the mods subjectively determining that something is clear of warnings (what type of warnings? what is linkspam warning for?)?

Basically: confused.

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Date: 2010-01-07 10:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daedala
I would be grateful if you would put the warnings after the link; I find it very hard to read this way.

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daedala
Oh... and is the text following the link a quote, or commentary from you all? I don't really like it, but I like the unclear citation less.

Adding this much meta to a linkspam kind of seems to defeat the point.

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dingsi
Oh... and is the text following the link a quote, or commentary from you all?

I've had problems with this as well and got confused, especially when text that (I suppose) belonged to one quote was broken into two or more paragraphs. The lack of quotation marks made it harder for me to follow.

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Date: 2010-01-08 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feuervogel
Or even just [blockquote] tags, or italics... some way to demarcate the quoted material vs commentary.

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Date: 2010-01-07 11:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cofax7
Yes, this.

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Date: 2010-01-07 10:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] holyschist
I guess 'toxicity' seems kind of vague to me. The old system where posts that had specific problems going on were flagged in a specific way (e.g. "Warning: ableist language in comments") seemed clearer to me.

A link back to the policy page would definitely help--I didn't think of going back and looking for it.

Also agreed with [personal profile] daedala.

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:31 am (UTC)
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Thank you for reviving this effort. I wish you all the best in working out the various kinks.

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Date: 2010-01-08 01:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] haunted
It's good to see [community profile] linkspam back, and I hope your new polices help to prevent burnout for the team.

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Date: 2010-01-08 07:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] holyschist
This is so much easier to read now, thank you for changing the format!

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Date: 2010-01-08 07:34 pm (UTC)
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Good to see you back! (and this is much more legible than the first-posted version)


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