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Lambda Literary Awards Masterpost

Clarification of Lambda Literary Foundation Policy Guidelines of Nominations, 2009 Lambda Literary Awards, from Katherine V. Forrest, Interim President, Board of Trustees

Older Posts (Pre-Sep 25 or so)

Alan Chin: Discrimination at the Lambda Awards

Jane at Dear Author: Regarding Gay Romance

Boys Next Door Blog: No room for the heteronorm?/An Update

EREC: Lambda GLBT Book Awards Go Heterophobic

Teddy Pig at The Naughty Bits: Lambda Literary Award: No Straight People Allowed!

Fiona Glass: New rules for the Lambda Awards

Selah March: A lynching in the making

Erastes: A Little Miffed
[livejournal.com profile] erastes A Little Miffed (Same post; different journals; different comments)

Lena Prodan Where I Don't Want to be

Loving Venus – Loving Mars: Lambda Fail

Newer (Sep 25 & later)
Erastes in [livejournal.com profile] meta_writer Lambda's Explanation of the New Guidelines and my comments
[livejournal.com profile] erastes Lambda's Explanation of the New Guidelines and my comments (Same post; different journals; different comments)

[livejournal.com profile] c_smith_author The Lambda Literary Award has just sidelined itself as an arbiter of good GLBTQ fiction.

[livejournal.com profile] rm on the Lambda Literary Awards and the art of disappearing

[personal profile] torachan Oh, ew.

[livejournal.com profile] belleweather It's OK to be an Ally, Sheesh!

[livejournal.com profile] elisa_rolle LGBTQ Award: Setting rules

Rebecca Day: That Lambda Thing

Kate McMurray: authenticity and audience redux

Hayden Thorne: On the LLF Controversy

Ask Nicola: Lambda Literary Award guidelines clarification

Victor Banis: The Little Lost Lamb(da)s –Some thoughts by Victor J. Banis

EREC: Quoth: Lambda Redux

Teddy Pig at The Naughty Bits: Lambda Literary Foundation: We Can't Hack A Level Playing Field So

Teddy Pig at The Naughty Bits What Would Victor J. Banis Do?

[livejournal.com profile] leethomas Recently, the Lambda Literary Foundation instituted new guidelines for its awards

[livejournal.com profile] lee_rowan Lammys... ye gods.

[livejournal.com profile] mjaedin My opinion on the Lambda Literary Awards

[livejournal.com profile] kiernankelly Lamda Awards Shun Straight Ally Authors

[livejournal.com profile] duskpeterson The Lambda Literary Awards and gender

Queerty: New Rule: Straights not allowed to compete for Lambda Literary Awards

[livejournal.com profile] sparkindarkness This? This is my not amused face. The Lambda Awards


[personal profile] keeva shocking, i tell you
[livejournal.com profile] kynn shocking, i tell you (Same post; different journals; different comments)

Ann Somerville: Straight* women – it’s not about you

Ann Somerville: Lambda Literary Foundation Policy Guidelines clarified

Ann Somerville: You know what’s really wrong with the m/m genre?

Christian A. Young: The new Lambda Literary Foundation Policy Guidelines and you.

[livejournal.com profile] emmacollingwood LAMBDA Literary, Act II: The official statement

[personal profile] gloss [ oh, shut up ]

[livejournal.com profile] lunesque So. The Lambda awards thing.

[livejournal.com profile] likespring this is also just like prop 8.

[livejournal.com profile] kiernankelly Deleted Entry

[livejournal.com profile] kynn the bahleeted kiernankelly post
[personal profile] keeva the bahleeted kiernankelly post (Same post; different site; different comments)

[livejournal.com profile] kynn fight lies with the truth

[personal profile] elf Lambda=11=5+(2x3); Hail Eris

[personal profile] ivorygates Your Monthly Wank

[livejournal.com profile] kaligrrl once more into the breach with EPIC FAIL!!!

[livejournal.com profile] kellidunham What's that sound? Oh, it's straight people whining!

[livejournal.com profile] rockeandroll I am not a person who usually comments on this stuff

[livejournal.com profile] fiction_theory I have no clever nickname for this

[livejournal.com profile] jazzypom From my fandom corner

Karnythia at The Angry Black woman: Dear Straight Cisgender People Who Are Showing Out
Karnythia at Alas, a blog: Dear Straight Cisgender People Who Are Showing Out
[livejournal.com profile] karnythia Dear Straight Cisgender People Who Are Showing Out
[livejournal.com profile] karnythia Dear Straight Cisgender People Who Are Showing Out (Same post; different sites; different comments)

Seeking Avalon: On Isms: The Lambda Awards, Homophobia, Privilege & Racism


[livejournal.com profile] sparkindarkness Lambda Awards – disagree if you must, but put the privilege and homophobia away

[livejournal.com profile] eumelia My own fuzzy opinion about Lambda Literary Awards

[livejournal.com profile] gehayi DVD Commentary: Lambda Literary Awards

[livejournal.com profile] shemale So Lambda has stated that they will take into consideration…

[livejournal.com profile] dubious_virtue A lynching in the making (Same post as one from previous roundup; different site.)

[livejournal.com profile] dubious_virtue More re: Lambda Lit versus the Breeders
Selah March: More re: Lambda Lit versus the Breeders (Same post; different sites; different comments)

[livejournal.com profile] lanning well, now, here's a to-do

[livejournal.com profile] strangetwn_god Lambda Literary Wank

[livejournal.com profile] karjack Mini-rants

[livejournal.com profile] babel A few things.

Towleroad: Lambda Literary Foundation Announces New Rules, Leadership

TeddyPig: Because Someone Asked

Seeking Avalon: On Isms & Idiots (Part 2)

Seeking Avalon: On Isms & Idiots (Part 3)

[livejournal.com profile] emmyjag Lambda Literary Awards: Breeders need not apply

[livejournal.com profile] senior_witch Got into internet wank


[livejournal.com profile] erastes I’ve just received this charming diatribe in my inbox (Comments turned off.)

[livejournal.com profile] logovol Mi fetiche no es credencial (Post in Spanish)

[livejournal.com profile] kynn cue the wtf chorus

[personal profile] keeva Does linkspam need a new tagline?
[livejournal.com profile] kynn Does linkspam need a new tagline? (Same post; different sites; different comments)

[livejournal.com profile] gwailowrite False Allies in Straight-fail

[livejournal.com profile] flourish Lambda Awards kerfuffle

[livejournal.com profile] spoggly re: Lambda Awards

[livejournal.com profile] angrylemur People are idiots, Tuesday edition

[livejournal.com profile] abigail_roux Oh, what a tangled web we writers weave sometimes.

[livejournal.com profile] sparkindarkness Lambda Bingo!

[livejournal.com profile] sunhawk note one on being a good ally


[personal profile] kaigou lambda, literature, voices, and also, I live in the taj mahal.

[livejournal.com profile] kynn o dear god no

[livejournal.com profile] duskpeterson My letter to the Lambda Literary Foundation (this one's a few days old)

Erastes at Speak Its Name: The Lambda’s by T J Pennington

[livejournal.com profile] homasse Another Fail

[livejournal.com profile] moniquill Dear Lambdafail wangstbitches:

[livejournal.com profile] sparkindarkness BINGO!


[livejournal.com profile] la_fields Quick: Someone define me

[livejournal.com profile] catherineldf An organized rant about the Lambda Awards

[livejournal.com profile] chicklet_girl *puts on flak jacket*

Brent Hartinger at After Elton: Should You Have to be Gay to Win a Lambda Award?

[livejournal.com profile] elgraves Some thoughts
[personal profile] ellie Some thoughts (Same post; different sites; different comments)

[livejournal.com profile] chasingtides Lambda, Discrimination, And Are You Seriously Saying That?

Teddy Pig: The Founder Of The Lambda Literary Awards Speaks His Mind

[livejournal.com profile] senior_witch More links


[livejournal.com profile] sanguinity Ten Dollars and a Lawn Sign

Sharon Wheeler Awards kerfuffle

KD: M/M or Gay?

[livejournal.com profile] pyrephox Oh, Lambda, wherefore art thou? Deny thy community and refuse thy name...

[livejournal.com profile] zephyrprince Changes to the Lambda Literary Awards

[livejournal.com profile] ein_myria Chatter about λ

[personal profile] stoneself m/mfail and intersectionality and cisgendered privilege and more
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whose side?

[personal profile] stoneself 2009-09-29 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
hey elf,

just checking. you're siding with the people with straight privilege?
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] amadi 2009-09-30 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
"Changing a lit award for LGBT-themed stories, to one that requires LGBT authors:" less fine.

And if that was what happened here, you'd have a point, but it isn't.

Re: whose side?

[personal profile] keeva 2009-09-30 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
There's something seriously wrong when even the [community profile] linkspam poster is perpetuating the privilege-supporting lies.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] amadi 2009-09-30 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
This is where the intersection of reporter and participant gets very murky, and why journalists don't take part in events that they're covering.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] amadi 2009-09-30 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Then perhaps, if the goal is to attempt to present an unbiased and neutral fashion you need to find others who can do so, because so long as you're participating in the events that you're attempting to report, even in the limited manner that such reporting occurs here, there will be bias. It is impossible to avoid.

And kill the tagline, because it is absolutely no longer true.

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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] pandarus 2009-10-03 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
And if that was what happened here, you'd have a point, but it isn't.

Okay, I've spent most of today following link after link on this debate, and the impression I've come away with is that this IS what happened. I mean, the founder of the Lambda Award seemed pretty clear on that, in the link above. So could you clarify this for me? Why do you feel that this wasn't what happened?

(for the record, I think rm makes a compelling point about this maybe not being a great decision in some ways in terms of ghettoisation, but afaic the award-giving body TOTALLY gets to choose what their award is for, and I have absolutely no problems with them wanting to focus on promoting & rewarding members of the LBGT community rather than tourists/allies. Particularly if they're getting swamped by straight cis authors. I'm pretty appalled by the volume of straight cis privilege that I've seen oozing over most of the posts in this discussion.)
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] jame_alec 2009-09-30 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
So, what part of their mission statement did you find confusing that would lead you to believe that their organization was in any way about straight cis people?

The Lambda Literary Foundation is dedicated to raising the status of openly lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people throughout society by rewarding and promoting excellence among LGBT writers who use their work to explore LGBT lives.

Emphasis mine. By your logic, it's just as unfair to not give an award to an author that's queer but doesn't write queer stories, even though that's plainly not at all what the organization or the award is about.

Re: whose side?

[personal profile] keeva 2009-09-30 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
[personal profile] elf originally left that out of first linkspam post, presumably because it would undermine the points with which she agrees. When she added it, she didn't put in bold the part that you bolded, for the same reason.

There's a serious problem with [community profile] linkspam continuing to call itself an "anti-oppression linkspam community" when the linkspammer is not actually against the system of oppression being discussed.

The whole discussion gets slanted by her pro-oppression bias -- and I'm just talking about her linkspam posts, not even her following up with comments all over the place that make factually untrue statements about when submissions would be accepted and "who determines if someone is LGBT."

People who read the [community profile] linkspam community will see this as an "well, both sides have valid points" type of net.kerfluffle, thanks to [personal profile] elf's spin in that direction and uncritical links to privileged, oppressive bullshit -- and that is not how anti-oppression work is done.

Complaining about "this is setting back LGBT acceptance!" is not how anti-oppression work is done, either.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] jame_alec 2009-09-30 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Now? Nothing. And I don't believe they were ever "about" straight cis people.

Then perhaps the dropping of the "but what about the straight authors?!" is in order.

They used to be about the content; now they're about the people creating it.

I've seen nothing on their site to suggest that it is about the people creating it and nothing to do with the literature, as you imply.

In fact, from the submission guidelines:

In determining whether a book should be submitted for consideration, it should be noted that the Lambda Literary Awards are based principally on the LGBT content, the gender orientation/identity of the author and the literary merit of the work.

Whether a person is queer is one of three criteria for whether it should be submitted, not how it will be judged. This "books are getting judged based on the people that wrote them!" bullshit needs to stop right now.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] jame_alec 2009-09-30 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't say "nothing" to do with the people literature--just that the literature is no longer the mission of the organization.

Hence why I said implied. "They used to be about the content; now they're about the people creating it" heavily implies that the people writing it is more important than the content, which is a blatant lie.

It is still about queer literature; if a queer author submitted literature that didn't have any queer themes in it, it wouldn't be appropriate for the contest. They have eloquently explained why they changed the submission guidelines this year, and I don't know why everyone's eyes seem to be glazing over and all they read is OH MY GOD STRAIGHT CIS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ENTERING OUR CONTEST IN THE PAST YEARS? GOD I HATE THOSE BREEDERS LET'S MAKE SURE THEY NEVER WIN ANY AWARDS EVER AGAIN!!!!111one and ignoring the actual reasons.

Wishy washy "oh well it would have been okay if it had started that way, but it's meeeeeeen to allow straight people one year and not the next!" is ally fail. Situations change, and to stick your head in the sand and ignore the circumstances they outlined is ridiculous.
Edited 2009-09-30 04:16 (UTC)
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] stoneself 2009-09-30 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
in summary, i'd say you're siding with the people with the privilege here.

giving the privileged people the benefit of the doubt. really?

privileged entitled people are having a shit fit about "reverse discrimination" and you personally are focused on how the people with straight privilege are offended?

you have totally missed the point of this community.

you started this linkspam, as i understand it, to point out the evil wrong things llf did to straight m/m writers.

focus on the privilege.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] bork 2009-09-30 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
If you are unsatisfied about how it's being done here, I'm sure that elf wouldn't mind if you help with the linkspam roundup.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] stoneself 2009-09-30 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
this is bullshit.

yes it is.

asking someone to fix their privilege reinforcing behavior
not the same as
saying everything they do is fucked up.

Re: whose side?

(Anonymous) 2009-09-30 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
"Changing a lit award for LGBT-themed stories, to one that requires LGBT authors:" less fine. This isn't creating safe space; it's slamming doors that used to be open.

How? Maybe if you lived in ideal world where everyone and their work was treated equally I'd agree. But in world with spaces where gay authors work is devalued because of their sexuality and not given an equal space to work with compared to their straight/cis counterparts why shouldn't they? I hate hearing things like "wow look how open minded x author/actor/movie maker is for taking on lgbt themed work" while when gay authors do the same it's thought of "oh of course you would do that". Yes some might have a little trouble because of their story's theme they can easily rest on that fact that they aren't lgbt and can just say they're "expanding their horizons", "exploring" or the same annoying "open minded" comfort line I used above when it comes talking to some homophobic publishers, readers or whatever is needed to go get their story published, praised or read.

Gay authors might be told not to be "too out" with their identity for fear of alienating some people who wouldn't want to see a "gay production" but rather a one with a good degree of separate they can dissociate themselves with (Gay is icky after all - just not when I'm making money off it)*. Others might have problems with co-workers boyfriends/girlfriends or fetishizing spaces like yaoi fangirl/yuri fanboy/t-chasers where their work isn't respected as it should be.

I think this also gives a place where budding gay artist can see people who are gay and successful giving some hope and inspiration to people who believe there is no work or success in writing gay novels as a lgbt or queer person.

So at the end of the day; I don’t see this as a real restriction as much as it is widening the door for a more clearer space for queer artist to be respected and held in the same esteem their straight counterparts would get normally. And I think if people really cared that much they should show support to them or wish them the best instead of throwing fits and saying hurtful vaguely homophobic things like calling lgbt uppity or saying "all the qualified people have been left out" of the Lambada awards.

I also understand that some queer people disagree as well and I think the same thing can pretty much apply to them as well.

*Example: http://www.towleroad.com/2009/02/new-york-artist.html

Ch~Wa

(I hope you can unscreen this comment after I post it.)

Re: whose side?

[personal profile] keeva 2009-09-30 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
...and no time to read & think about them.

That's been clear from your attempts at commentary on this issue, which invariably lean toward excusing cis, straight privilege and furthering oppression against LGBT people.
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] kathmandu 2009-09-30 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Rounding up the linkspam is notorious for being time- and energy-intensive. You do not get to requisition more of Elf's time than zie can spare. If you're unhappy with how it's being done, do better yourself.

Re: whose side?

[personal profile] keeva 2009-09-30 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Running the Lammies is a heck of a lot of work, too.

Are you willing to apply the same principle to say that anyone critical of the LLF should stop speaking up about the topic?
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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] kathmandu 2009-10-01 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
I think the LLF gets to make their own decisions. Other people don't get to demand awards to suit their own tastes. However, if other people feel there is a gap in the field of awards, they can start a Straight Friends and Allies Writing Gay Fic award.

Maybe the hypothetical Straight Friends and Allies award could be in the shape of a cookie.

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Re: whose side?

[personal profile] keeva 2009-09-30 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
So: Yes, you're right, she's siding with the people with straight privilege.