MammothFail masterpost

[naraht]

Jo Walton: Pioneer Fantasy: Patricia Wrede’s Thirteenth Child

hermetic: unspeakable horror

gryphonsegg: Gryphon's Egg and the Half-Blood Rage

elsane: "American fantasy" without Native Americans: oh dear and oh no

glass_icarus: America was built on blood and bones

happydork: Lois McMaster Bujold makes me make sadface

james_nicoll: About Doug Hoff's Empty America [Related]

kynn: augh wtf

ldragoon: The Thirteenth Child

quivo: Hmm

wemblee: and the racefail continues

Deeper in the Game: Fantasy shouldn't read like a history book

flourish: Patricia Wrede and The Thirteenth Child: Really? REALLY?

glass_icarus:oh my dear god, LOGIC FAIL

ithiliana: The latest "wave" of "RaceFail"

melannen: On Age of Sail, American fantasy, RaceFail, and history

Paul "Jvstin" Weimer: Racefail Returns? Patricia Wrede's Thirteenth Child

holyschist: I hate it when favorite authors disappoint: Patricia C. Wrede's "The Thirteenth Child"

damned_colonial: Age of Sail fandom and antipodean racefail [Related]

rosefox: "Standing in the English Rain"

rushthatspeaks: an historical redux

Seeking Avalon: There's something about Tor writers

violetisblue: untitled

kaigou: sleeping with the status quo

gloss: my shame was only exceeded by my fury

lanning: well, that's one way to avoid an issue

rensreality101: Like words on a chalk board...

Will S: no longer crossposting to LiveJournal

cyphomandra: Elizabeth Knox, Dreamquake [Older but related]

A new comment by Lois McMaster Bujold

eisen: All I gotta say on the topic of "thirteenth child"

brightfame: And the Tor thread continues

racism_101: To include or not to include slavery in historical fiction

ithiliana: Rushthatspeaks: Historical redux

saramily: aw hell, patricia wrede

morgan_dhu: Antidote to the Empty Continent

sixquarters: The Thirteenth Child

jonquil: A is not B (a Rand-free zone)

sami: Because I need to think about things that are differently stressful, sometimes...

pgwfolc: The Thirteenth Tribe, LMB and Racefail
(also as hatman, here)

fiction_theory: You're hurting my head again, SF/F

starlady: "Now you will pay the price for your lack of vision"

Patricia Wrede: Fantasy Worldbuilding Questions [Not related but potentially of interest.]

alias_sqbr: Where are the Jews in medieval fantasy? [Old but on a parallel theme.]

willow: PR=Pants Redacted

willow: Annnd

hatman: Addendum to last post

sokesakuma: Ranting, ranting, ranting, racefail

tamaranth: Alternate Histories and Real-World Insult

willow: The point being missed

morgan_dhu: Another white woman who wrote about settler culture

sami: Derailment Redux: Lois McMaster Bujold Hypocrisy Special Edition

hatman: Untitled

nicki: Words are important: Fiction, a game of Clue, and racefail-the-return

zeborahnz: In which she weighs in on Thirteenth Child

pir_anha: i see racefail is going into v2.0

ithiliana: Personal/Political, Time/Money, Choices/Freedoms/Responsibilities

gavagai: well meaning white girls against cultural invisibility and colonialism

flourish: Wrede Redux: some clarifications of terms

jackfirecat: D&D as RaceFail

ithiliana: Picked up from one of the 13th Child threads

james_nicoll: Empty Old World

moniquill: So racefail...

lanning: in which the privileged toss their coins

More from LMB

Avalon's Willow: Never Expect Better

K. Tempest Bradford: Dear Lois McMaster Bujold

morgan_dhu: She said WHAT?

sami: In which the History Wars go cross-continental

torachan: Two things about Racefail: The Colonialism Remix

isilya: Patricia C. Wrede

rosefox: "My head can't tolerate this bobbing and pretending"

deadbrowalking: wild unicorn herd check in
"If you identify as a POC/nonwhite person and you read or watch scifi or fantasy, give yourself a name check in this thread. I am particularly wanting shoutouts from people who do not live in the US and who have still managed to read genre fiction."

bravecows: Thirteenth Child et seq

karnythia: I would make a terrible superhero girlfriend

happydork: More on LMB and race

stoneself: racefail 1.0.2: the amazing fuck up

stoneself: don't listen to the POC

carenejeans: Lions and Mammoths and Bears, oh My!

brightfame: How to become a PoC specific reader, in several, not-so-easy steps

nojojojo: Online identity and activism

glass_icarus: closing the book

bookshop: untitled

shadydave: More Race Fail

kutsuwamushi: appropriate icon is inappropriate

darkrosetiger: Dear Ms Bujold

jesse_the_k: Mammothfail

laura47: My biggest problem with racefail is that i think a whole lot of people felt this way...

SeeLight: Can we NOT do Racefail again, please?

sinboy: Zombie racefail rises from the grave!

kenakeri: Wow. So needed to see this on a Monday.

aquaeri: How to be complicit in Racefail

usomitai: the cycle repeats

heleninwales: Racefail 2.0 Thirteenth Child

ethrosdemon: untitled

dancesontrains: Have your existence denied by mainstream s/f; make tea.

keeva: we hunted it into extinction...now it's hunting US!

sparrowinsky: untitled

kjpepper: Wow

delux_vivens: Starting off the week with a vehement rant

al_zorra: Beyond Eating, And Also Appropriate As A Response To...

eisen: okay so i lied about having nothing else to add on the subject

sami: Back to Patricia Wrede and the Thirteenth Child: You Haven't Read This Post!

sabinelagrande: There isn't enough facepalm in the New or Old Worlds

lolaranincoat: two points on the latest episode of stupid behavior among writers of science fiction

deadbrowalking: Untitled

deadbrowalking: It's A Day That Ends In Y Therefore We Must Have Erasure

sqbr: Mars=the wild west

bruceb: The rest of us: fandom

Torque Control: Sigh

Liz Henry: MammothFail 09

sanguinity: And The Mammoth You Rode In On

sodzilla: My selfish whinings about RaceFail

aycheb: History re-written by the victors

such_heights: Untitled

rabbitucker: What horrors have I gotten myself into?!

keeva: which came first, the indian or the mammoth?

keeva: eeerrrunnnhk!

ceri: Secrets of composition revealed!

Making Light: 1491 [Old but relevant]

nextian: no i don't know why she got all strung out on the motherland

snow: We Oughta Show Contrition

brightfame: Fixing the universe, one fanfic at a time

kali921: I see you. I see you all, and you're wonderful

trinityva: Controversy and Art

gwailowrite: ah, the racefail continues on

ethrosdemon: Untitled

SeeLight: White House Geekery

the_drifter: Man, I love a good roll-call

anonymous_sibyl: RaceFail

Erin Ptah: Racefail rolls on

spiralsheep: In which it's rarely a good thing to tell me to shut up about social justice

bluerabbit: I guess this is why you never put people on pedestals

bossymarmalade: "You people are guests in our land"

ithiliana: Rec: "Online identity and activism"

Pam Noles: Why I'm Spending My Lunch Hour Today With The Door Closed And The Music Turned Up So My CoWorkers Can't Hear The Screaming

ithiliana: Silencing/Oppressing/Marginalizing/Suppressing

2ce: More on the virtue of large RaceFails

pir_anha: once more, with feeling

tablesaw: Part the First: In which I discover what is already found

parthenia14: backing away slowly

pir_anha: on derailment

green_knight: The thirteenth child: personal consequences

just_katarin: Racefail 2.0

aubergine_pilot:This is the sound of my heart being dented.

stephiepenguin: it's not that we don't exist, it's that you can't be bothered noticing us

trickofthedark: Bzzzzzzt. Fail.

holyschist: Assorted thoughts on MammothFail '09

ciderpress: I think I've done enough conventions to know how to spell "Melllvar".


elspethdixon: When alternate history goes terribly wrong

Angry Black Woman: A Call for Creativity

K. Tempest Bradford: Tor Books: A Perspective

50books_poc: Recs for Indigenous/Anti-Colonialist AUs, Indigenous History, POC SFF Traditions, and More!

Lois McMaster Bujold: Bujold intersects the RaceFail conversation, briefly [Old]

elynross: Slowly my "buy new" (or read at all) writers list dwindles.

elynross: When The Thirteenth Child was in the planning stages

gehayi: Patricia Wrede's worldbuilding questions

Violins and Starships: It's only fantasy

The Hathor Legacy: History is erased by the victors

paintedmaypole: and unfortunately we are just at the tip of the iceburg

jsburbidge: Thirteenth Child's premises

gooddamon: So apparently I've been unconscious for the last three or four months.

lonespark: One thought on Racefail

soupytwist: Two fails and a win

fiction_theory: Related annoyances

Lois Bujold: correction and apology

sami: Mammothfail: Am I the only one who thinks that They are really trying to defend bad writing?

puritybrown: racefail 2: electric boogaloo

acrimonyastraea: Mammothfail

ricardienne: Untitled

ladyvorkosigan: The Thirteenth Child

kutsuwamushi: Really?

rehd_fawx: Oh, come on

neo_prodigy: Gauntlets thrown

dlandon: All I'm going to say about the Thirteenth Child kerfluffle

keeva: Bujold speaks

yhlee: Fallacies and fractals [Missed post from earlier]

coffeeandink: MammothFail

branchandroot: Good examples and horrible warnings

Debbie Reese: Patricia Wrede's The Thirteenth Child

naturalblue208: "Wildly divergent history": The book I'd rather read

unusualmusic: Please excuse me while I vomit

skadi: Another Racefail

sakusha: Untitled

bachsoprano: In which I get a little hot under the collar

fiction_theory: A small testimonial. Without the smallness.

sdn: question

roseembolism: *sigh* When authors should know better.

mecurtin: The Mammoth Fail of Why Would You Even Want That, and What I Want You to Write Instead

Violins and Starships: Follow-up to "It's Only Fantasy"

deepad: Staking out my stamping ground

brownbetty: Space: One More Imaginary Frontier

peake: Erasure

sasha_davidovna: RaceFail Redux

gehayi: Racefail 2.0: A Song by Buffy Sainte-Marie

rhfay: Freedom of Speech and Expression

Catherine Knutsson: In which I get a little hot under the collar

gaski: Oh, apparently I have a tipping point

kjpepper: *sigh*

kerravongenius: Raceflail [sic] continues

nihilistic_kid: Dope of the Day

stele3: MammothFail: The name says it all

sabotabby: Time for popcorn and polls

hokuton_punch: Untitled

unfunnybusiness: What's wrong with RaceFail?

valentinite: Cultural Assumptions vs Cultural Appropriations

liyosa: Racefail: This is what I think of it

neo_prodigy: FOC_U

Karnythia: Fen of Color United

Seeking Avalon: Honkeyshines

xiphias: On why there are no discrete changes in alt-history

elynross: Racefail/Mammothfail collision

jamiam: Dear SF/F fans of color

bookelfe: Untitled

tielan: *sigh*

loligo: on erasure

ricardienne: Once more with (personal) feeling

lady_schrapnell: Thirteenth Child, Patricia Wrede

innerbrat: The Pan Narrans Approach to Science

claws_n_stripes: You tell me what I wanna hear. I hear it all with my ears.

telesilla: No, we aren't the freakin' Thought Police

shadesong: Fen of Color United!

eyebeams: Tackling the issues of the day!

SeeLight: Breaking Up Is Hard To Do: How To Handle Antiracist POC Communities

sanguinity: American Indian Contributions to the World, Part 1 of 5. Trade, Transportation, and Welfare

stoicheion: Racefail II: The Mammoth Strikes Back

popelizbet:
the fail that does not end: of mammoths and unicorns

Chrononautic Log: Genocide by Omission

Patricia Wrede: Moving Right Along [Status of sequel as of 8 May]

skywardprodigal: May 18, 2009 + foc_u

Kaleidoglide: MammothFail

rednikki: Jesus Christ, RaceFail

mrissa: Books read, early May

red_fawx: Untitled

beachlass: Things I want to tell you this morning

sanguinity: American Indian Contributions to the World, Part 2 of 5. Food, Farming, and Hunting

sami: Mammothfail: An explanation for the hard-of-thinking

conuly: Everyone's going on and on about Thirteenth Child

lady_ganesh: MammothFail: You're Soaking in It

steepholm: Continuity in America

2ce: On checking yourself before you wreck yourself

wild_irises: Remembering Where to Look

Yonmei: He who runs may Wrede

ldragoon: MammothFail Follow Up

wemblee: Racefail, The Next Generation: The Headdesking Continues

ailiathena: Discomfort about Racism

masqthephlsphr: Preempting racefail: Or, why my novel may never see the light of day

naraht: Intersectionality strikes again

fight_derailing: Update on foc_u

ithiliana: Update on FOC_U

inkstone: :|

laylalawlor: The more serious and thoughtful half of the post

rj_anderson: Writing in the Age of RaceFail

Charlotte's Library: Thirteenth Child by Patricia Wrede

akamine_chan: RaceFail 2.0? Will it ever stop? Please?

distaff_exile: And because there are two sides to every coin:

ajat: It's boring me now, but then I get bored easily

issen4: In which I don't talk about RaceFail

lamardeuse: RaceFail 2.0: The Next Pack of Assholes

kynn: the coverup is worse than the crime

gehayi: A Story, and an Attempt at Empathy

hapex_legomena foc_u: My Anger Is Not An Isolated Incident

holyschist: Colorblindness (and related things)

keeva: kynnfail: fallout from foc_u

layla: The more serious and thoughtful half of the post

nicki: Venn diagrams and the social construct of Us and Them

slashpervert: Race and Fandom

tariq_kamal: Pretentious, Sanctimonius Rubbish On My Thoughts On MammothFail.

telesilla Ruth's Three Rules of Being an Ally

Scott Neigh: Sci-fi/Fantasy Fans Against Racism

madripoor: Mammothfail

haddayr: Fans of Color

strangedave: All the people of different races, with different lives in different places

delux_vivens: ownership

RPG.net discussion: Patricia C Wrede's The Thirteenth Child: WTF?

K. Tempest Bradford: Creative Endeavors in Honor of FOC_U

nq3x: Racefail '09

delagar: Writing and Race

Eleanor: MammothFail

sinboy: More on racefail

fantasyecho: By teh Powah of the Internetz, I Compel You!

Charlotte's Library: An effort to add color to my son's book shelves

jjhunter: "Praise song for struggle, praise song for the day"

shvetufae: "I" is for identity.

kass_rants: Race Fail, my non-White ass!

attack_laurel: Support!

dharma_slut: It's still Monday...

cafecomics: Attention au mammouth ! (post is written in French)

shemale: I haven't been using LJ a lot lately

sabonasi: Fen of Color United

joycemocha: Thirteenth Child, first take

viola_canina: Race Issues : MammothFail

distaff_exile: Cats, people, and where they cross

moniquill: So I dropped the ball...

Monoquill at GaiaOnline: Racefail 09, Racism, and what it means for Writers

MajKai Nis is a bigot at GaiaOnline: Racial prejudice and how it affects writers.

wingstodust: Status Update, Linkspam for MammothFail, and Shatter the Silence

mamadar: Weighing in on MammothFail

zhinxy: FOC_U Day of Protest: My Post, In Haste

green_knight: The Thirteenth Child - personal consequences

pbristow: What I did with my day.

Ben Aaronovitch: Aren't They Lovely

niamh_sage: A bizarrely mixed offering

reileen: #313 - Please don't ignore me - I deserve to be a geek too!

sharrukin: The Master's Oath: Fourth Draft

doradoradora: I'm a bit slow to the party

Drowning in Maymester: Racefail 09/Fen of Color United

KC Shaw: Step one to broaden my scope

Aqueduct Press: Mammothfail 2

Zero at the Bone: Racefail continues much as one might expect, but I had been optimistic.

wombat1138: Ack.

James Bow: The Geography of Storytelling

keeni85 at foc_u: Shatter The Silence Archive Post (If you've written something for FOC_U and it’s not listed, comment there to be added.)

thirdblindmouse: Where Patricia Wrede is coming from

starlady: 'Avrope, can hang self. Or, my thoughts on Thirteenth Child.

sparkymonster: My thoughts on the Grand Unified POC Position on Race

neo_prodigy: No Pass For You

moniquill: Late to the party…

lady_jem: Et tu, Kass?

keeva: "So consider your minority pass revoked."

joycemocha: Further thoughts on Thirteenth Child

hokuton_punch: Warning: angry white girl

dharma_slut: On the topic of words such as; cunt, coward, snap, and slut. And the N word.

egretplume: thinking about Phillis Wheatley

Justine Larbalestier: Invisible Audiences? Invisible to Whom?

Neesha Meminger at Racialicious: Write What You Know: Limiting or Authentic?

aquaeri: Genocide by removal from land

Avalon's Willow: On Banners & Controlling Space

bruceb: A few words on selective reading (older post)

delux_vivens at deadbrowalking: residential schools comic.

dharma_slut: Why I call myself a white ally

joycemocha: Frontier fantasy, anyone?

lady_schrapnell: Thirteenth Child, Patricia Wrede

sanguinity: American Indian Contributions to the World, Part 3: Medicine and Health

sartorias: Question about how we look at text

Joseph Robert Lewis: RaceFail: Author versus audience

Goodreads listing: Thirteenth Child (Frontier Magic Book) (includes comments)

niamh_sage: Untitled: From the latest Linkspam roundup comes RaceFail: Author versus Audience, by Joseph Robert Lewis.

mamadar: On making art, not war

la_marquise_de_: For the record

anarchicq: Racefail and how it applies to my worlds.

johncwright: PC MUST DIE (Read with caution)

briansiano: You gotta be fucking kidding . (Short & pointless. Included because "archivist of the revolution" sometimes includes "archivist of the people who think the revolution is boring and pointless.")

marrael: Late thoughts on MammothFAIL and looking in from afar

Kalafudra: On Race and Genre Fiction

Antariksh Yatra: Some Thoughts on Writing (or not writing) the Other

neo_prodigy: Discussion (FoC_U sexism tangent)

keeva: gads. the wankery leaves me speechless. (FoC_U sexism tangent)

patgreene: Wondering...

james_nicoll: Really stupid question (Tangential; potentially trollish. Also, privilege alert. But interesting discussion.)

ellid: My sole post on Racefail, Mammothfail, etc. (Closed to comments.)

gwailowrite: Why RaceFail09 and MammothFail and Avatar Whitewashing Matter to a Pasty-white, Middle-aged Gay Guy

embololalia: Links for 2009-05-20

badgerbag: Colonialism & SF

unusualmusic: on the subject of intersectionality and practicing what I preach

kathmandu: Lies, Memory, and Creativity that Isn't

technoelfie: Untitled: The whole RaceFail discussion pisses me the fuck off. (Warning for, well, title makes it pretty obvious.)

ysabetwordsmith: Native American History -- Alive and Kicking!

badgerbag: Sunday panel: Something is Wrong on the Internet! (Wiscon liveblogging)

takumashii: Wiscon: Authorial intent vs. reader response (liveblogging)

thingswithwings: not anon

villeinage: They won't thank you when you're right: FAIL and the blogosphere at large (tangential at best, but related themes.)

ndgmtlcd: 13th child by Patricia Wrede (Positive review.)

eclecticrafts: Review: Thirteenth Child by Patricia Wrede (unrelated positive review; makes no mention of racefail.)

Comments

[bell]

Thank you for all your work on MammothFail; the links you've gathered have been a tremendous source. From some of your other posts, I know that it's taken its toll on you and for that I'm sorry... I'm glad to see the creation of linkspam, it's a great idea.

You, rydra_wong, and other archivists are inspiring.

[naraht]

Thank you for the very high praise. I appreciate the support; hopefully this comm will go on to be a useful resource for you and for other people.

archivists of the revolution

[piranha]

thank you very much for collecting all these links, it's been a great help to me, and i appreciate it.

this new comm is a great idea. spread out the labour.

Re: archivists of the revolution

[naraht]

Definitely a good idea. The assistance I've had from elf has just been invaluable so far.

[keeva]

I don't think this RPG.net thread ever made it into the mix:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=452246

[keeva]

(Be warned, it's epicly long -- 673 comments on the thread.)

[naraht]

Thanks, got it!