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[livejournal.com profile] rosefox: "All right, all right! No need to spell it out!"

[livejournal.com profile] niamh_sage: Untitled: From the latest Linkspam roundup comes RaceFail: Author versus Audience, by Joseph Robert Lewis.

[personal profile] mamadar: On making art, not war

[livejournal.com profile] la_marquise_de_: For the record

[livejournal.com profile] anarchicq: Racefail and how it applies to my worlds.

[livejournal.com profile] johncwright: PC MUST DIE (Privilege alert; read with caution)

[livejournal.com profile] briansiano: You gotta be fucking kidding . (Short & pointless. Included because "archivist of the revolution" occasionally includes "archivist of the people who think the revolution is boring and pointless.")

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Date: 2009-05-22 06:59 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/1799577.html

"Really stupid question: Is it possible to commit cultural appropriation against one's own ancestors?"

(James is fond of trolling his readers.)

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Date: 2009-05-22 04:03 pm (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
Define "related". Inspired by, certainly, but not in direct response to.

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Date: 2009-05-23 02:57 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
Most of the comments are actually quite thoughtful.

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Date: 2009-05-23 03:44 am (UTC)
softestbullet: Seven of Nine in a space suit. (AtS/ reading! :D)
From: [personal profile] softestbullet
Really? I'll take another look then. :)

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Date: 2009-05-23 04:07 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
His readers are used to being trolled, and it's sort of fun to refuse to rise to the bait.

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Date: 2009-05-22 07:10 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
http://marrael.livejournal.com/232828.html

"I know I'm late, but it wasn't that I wasn't paying attention. It's just that I couldn't see it as just a storm in the SF/F teacup, and I found that hard to talk about, then to post in public. A lot of people had a piece to say about MammothFAIL as SF/F fans. My piece about MammothFAIL is as a non-Caucasian non-American who sees MammothFAIL as a symptom of something larger and about more than race. To me it is also about media domination and ethnocentrism."

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Date: 2009-05-22 07:19 am (UTC)
lisaquestions: Phoenix looking toward the viewer. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lisaquestions
Thank you for the editorial on those last two links.

I do agree that PC must die, but when I say that, I mean that the use of political correctness as an accusation to discredit attempts to call out or identify oppressive behavior.

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Date: 2009-05-22 09:18 am (UTC)
ceri: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ceri
Yes, elf, thank you very much for the warnings.

And yes, Lisa. I remember drifting from "Is 'PC' ever used in the service of causes I respect?" to "No, 'PC' is a reliable marker that the argument wrapped around with is immoral and probably dishonest."

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Date: 2009-05-22 10:15 am (UTC)
copracat: botanical illustration with text 'no sermons in stone' (no sermons)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Oh, nice and very accurate way of putting it. When someone says 'PC' these days, I just want to stop listening to them. Thanks for a snappy comeback!

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Date: 2009-05-22 10:20 am (UTC)
ceri: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ceri
You should give Lisa credit; either I picked it up from her or she goaded me into it. :)

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Date: 2009-05-22 06:08 pm (UTC)
softestbullet: Seven of Nine in a space suit. (Art/ the wolf)
From: [personal profile] softestbullet
Yeah, basically.

Thirding the thanks! Holy crap, that post... it is beyond help.

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Date: 2009-05-22 06:01 pm (UTC)
softestbullet: Seven of Nine in a space suit. (AtLA/ Toph smash)
From: [personal profile] softestbullet
Also, sometimes, Microsoft computers!

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Date: 2009-05-22 11:46 pm (UTC)
la_vie_noire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] la_vie_noire
Yes, exactly. And seriously, I just love privileged people going, "but who cares about the oppressed?" Dear, God. I was on hiatus, and the idiots sprung from everywhere.

PC must die

Date: 2009-05-24 02:25 am (UTC)
piranha: stylized white figure lifting a red barbell with weights (Default)
From: [personal profile] piranha
yeah, thanks for the warnings! they really help.

some years ago i decided to simply write off anything said using "politically correct" as code for "i'm peeved that i can no longer insult those i consider inferior with impunity".

it's working real well. now and then i check, and really, nothing interesting ever happens once "PC" has been uttered; at best it's clueless, at worst it's hate speech (you know, this particular one is close to the latter).

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Date: 2009-05-22 10:12 am (UTC)
copracat: Michelle Obama hugging a bunch of smiling children (mrs president)
From: [personal profile] copracat
"Privilege alert" is somewhat bland a caution for the hate speech in that post's comments.

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Date: 2009-05-22 03:03 pm (UTC)
copracat: Aloe vera plant with text 'cool' (cool vera)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Oh bugger, no. I'm sorry. I edited my original comment down because I was well angry (at the OP and commenters) and it came out short. I didn't mean that as a criticism of you, or any of the comm volunteers. You're doing an amazing job and I fully appreciate how much work it involves. No-one should have to read that post or its comments.
Edited Date: 2009-05-22 03:03 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-05-22 03:55 pm (UTC)
copracat: Close up Red Symons' eye in glam stylised make up (red eye)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Wow. How much self importance do you have to have to read 'people who think the revolution is boring and pointless' and get the meaning 'denounced as a thought criminal'?

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Date: 2009-05-22 08:55 pm (UTC)
copracat: Aloe vera plant with text 'cool' (cool vera)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Maybe the poster doesn't get linked to very often?

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Date: 2009-05-22 04:41 pm (UTC)
lady_ganesh: A Clue card featuring Miss Scarlett. (demon hunters against racism (Angel))
From: [personal profile] lady_ganesh
I think just a disclaimer that you're not going to do anything more than warn is acceptable-- I think we'd be asking a lot to expect archivists to read all posts, monitor comments to see when things are getting out of hand, etc.

There's always 'douchebag alert,' though.

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Date: 2009-05-22 11:01 pm (UTC)
lady_ganesh: A Clue card featuring Miss Scarlett. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lady_ganesh
Sorry, I was trying to crack a joke there, and failing.

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Date: 2009-05-22 11:44 pm (UTC)
lady_ganesh: Toshiko adjusting her glasses (geek squad (Torchwood))
From: [personal profile] lady_ganesh
My work was not in vain!

Yeah, I think you should keep things simple.

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Date: 2009-05-24 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] keeva
LOL THOUGHT CRIMINAL

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Date: 2009-05-26 12:15 am (UTC)
elionwyr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elionwyr
I fail to understand what exactly you're trying to accomplish here.
For the record, however, Brian's not a racist, your description of him as a 'racist wanker' is slanderous, and if you're basing your opinion on something you're admitting to 'barely actually reading,' you may wish to reconsider how you're handling this nebulously goaled project.

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Date: 2009-05-22 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fifi
I think I'm going to take a break and just pretend certain things weren't said by certain people. I know. You can't hide the sun with yr hand, but I think I'm going to sit in the shade for a while.

Thank you for compiling these links for us, though. I don't know how you haven't had a conniption yet.

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Date: 2009-05-22 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fifi
That is the best idea ever. Thematic lists. Wow. I love that.

It would make it so much easier to topple statements like these Well, it's a facet of my personality that when I break silence it's seldom to "yes" something someone else had said, but rather to say the thing no one else is saying. Often with the result of pissing a lot of people off. So I'm being consistent, at least.
Specially when they be spewing the same old same old same OLD bullshit.

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Date: 2009-05-22 05:03 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
It would make me very happy to see thematic lists. There are many times that I click through and think, "I've seen this post, or one enough like it that I don't need to see this one." And if I do enough of that, I stop clicking and miss the ones that make my brain come out a different shape.

But I can also see that thematic lists brings in a whole new wad-o-problems for the archivists.

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Date: 2009-05-22 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fifi
I understand. I've seen amazing thematic lists done for Fandoms and I always look at them in awe. What you could do is create a post with different titles on them, for example:

Attempt at derailing

Fallacy: Tone Argument

PoC: The Angry Pack

And then people comment in on the post with links and put the title in the subject space, to say where they think the link* should go. You can delete comments as you put up the links. I know it would take a LOT of time but it would maybe make the workload less? I don't know.

By the by, no need to look at the link since it's one I found from you guys. I was just sharing my frustration.

*wtf brain fart
Edited Date: 2009-05-22 11:21 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-05-22 05:03 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Note for myself: the warnings are there for a reason.

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Date: 2009-05-22 06:10 pm (UTC)
softestbullet: Seven of Nine in a space suit. (Art/ ocean's garbled vomit on the shore)
From: [personal profile] softestbullet
Indeed. *still reeling*

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Date: 2009-05-22 11:54 pm (UTC)
la_vie_noire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] la_vie_noire
Privileged? Ah, no. They want "white supremacists" to show us who apparently really hates us.

Not pointless, just racist. Really, if I'm going to read every whitey racist idiot out there talking shit out of their privileged asses... well, I have a life.

(And anyway, you put a warning, so it's fair. I'm not complaining about you)

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Date: 2009-05-23 03:14 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
http://patgreene.livejournal.com/768131.html

"I have been thinking about the discussion of issues raised in Racefail 2.0 (or as I have seen it referred to, Mammothfail), which revolves around Patricia Wrede's young adult alternative history/fantasy The Thirteenth Child and its imagining of a North America with mammoths and magic but with no native peoples when white settlers arrive. And the potential pitfalls of alternative history in general."

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Date: 2009-05-23 02:18 pm (UTC)
ellid: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ellid
May I just say that John C. Wright, whoever the hell he is, scares the shit out of me?

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Date: 2009-05-24 11:54 pm (UTC)
feuervogel: (shiiiiiiiiiit!)
From: [personal profile] feuervogel
Yes. Oh sweet FSM, yes. His commenters are also fucking terrifying.

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Date: 2009-05-26 12:52 am (UTC)
elionwyr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elionwyr
Ok, so this is a troll community.
Got it. Moving on.

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