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[elf]

Scott Neigh: Sci-fi/Fantasy Fans Against Racism

madripoor: Mammothfail

haddayr: Fans of Color

strangedave: All the people of different races, with different lives in different places

deluxe_vivens: ownership

Tokezo Hime: Patricia C Wrede's The Thirteenth Child: WTF?

K. Tempest Bradford: Creative Endeavors in Honor of FOC_U

nq3x: Racefail '09

delagar: Writing and Race

Eleanor: MammothFail

sinboy: More on racefail

fantasyecho: By teh Powah of the Internetz, I Compel You!

Charlotte's Library: An effort to add color to my son's book shelves

jjhunter: "Praise song for struggle, praise song for the day"

shvetufae: "I" is for identity. (cross-posted to foc_u)

(In case anyone's wondering: naraht hasn't retired; she's gathering links & I'm formatting them.)

Comments

[keeva]

the nq3x thread is particularly good for finding people who i don't want to have anything to do with.

[lisaquestions]

Maybe they're rehearsing their derailing tactics.

[niamh_sage]

Agreed. I found it unbelievably offensive.

[acrimonyastraea]

It read very much like a bunch of bullies throwing fuel on a fire and then stomping around complaining that the people using it to cook better PUT IT OUT NOW, GEEZ WHY DID YOU START THIS FOREST FIRE?

[onyxlynx]

Was it my imagination, or did nq3x (ecrable) hit every square on the bingo card?

[acrimonyastraea]

If he didn't, he sure gave it his best shot!

[ceri]

Anything he missed, the commenters got. It's been a while since I felt so close to watching a lynch mob form.

[skywardprodigal]

It's been a while since I felt so close to watching a lynch mob form.

srsly?

[ceri]

Of angry white people out to suppress the uppity underclasses, yes. I know that there are places where dogpiles of "yes, we're so oppressed, we must band together and act" form routinely, but I end not to go to those places. So it was a reminder of how ugly a self-congratulatory group of privilege holders can be.

[ceri]

Gradually it dawns on me just how bad my usage was.

I apologize belatedly to anyone who had any bad time with it. Sorry. I was careless and hyperbolic.

[keeva]

Thank you for realizing. :)

<3

[skywardprodigal]

Gradually it dawns on me just how bad my usage was.

Yah. It happens.

[lady_ganesh]

I especially liked the Sh*tterly-esque reference to class. Because no one else on the Internet grew up white and poor!

[mmoa_writes]

I know. It was... magical almost. Like double-dutch hopscotch: "...and finally... this square!"

[glass_icarus]

OH yes. i took one look, closed the tab, and really wished i had brain bleach. or, you know, at least the Men In Black light-pen thing.

[niamh_sage]

This is the first time I've really comprehended that expression: "I think I just threw up in my mouth a little". Yuck.

[lady_ganesh]

My 'don't read books by this person ever' list continues to expand. (Fortunately, so does my 'read books by this person' list, from other linkspams.)

[arch]

Is nq3x an author? Or are the commenters? I can't look at the page anymore because it's making me angry.

[lady_ganesh]

I lost track and thought, at first, I was commenting on the forum post. There may well be an author or two in there failing hard, though. "Don't listen to those mean people of color, what do they know about racism?"

[dharma_slut]

Oh, yes! Anyone who wants to read a book can write one. So what the hell are POC complaining about?

He's a white, male author, and he hasn't been published.

I really loved that line of logic. I took notes-- it's going into my novel, I swear.

[supermouse]

Many thanks and much tea to you both.

[mamadar]

I have posted about Mammothfail here.

[naraht]

Got it, thank you!

Curiosity killed something or other.

[fifi]

What's yr policy on removing links if the author asks you to? I ask because of this.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[naraht]

Unlike Metafandom, we're leaning towards *not* removing links, simply because the discussion doesn't make sense if the record of what happened isn't preserved. Think of the early stages of the Elizabeth Bear racefail, where it was getting very hard to keep track of things because posts and comments were being deleted left and right. Obviously people can delete or lock posts if they want, but we think it's important to have something pointing to where they were.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[fifi]

I agree hard.

Racefail posts are not fanfic meta.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[elf]

We're still undecided. (We probably need to be willing to remove links so's not to kick off a massive f'locking wave. But we'd really like to be able to have as complete a listing as possible.)

We could, however, drop authors a note on their posts--Hey, you've been included in a link roundup; strangers may be dropping by.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[keeva]

On nearly every platform, there are plenty of controls at the user's option to prevent comments from strangers.

For example, on my LJ/DW, all responses NOT from my friends are screened.

That way I can decide if I want to unscreen them and engage, or not unscreen them.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[fifi]

I understand yr point, but these are 2 cents you certainly didn't ask for:

I think you shouldn't be willing to remove links.

Wank gets preserved, why not Race imbroglios?

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[elf]

I don't want to remove links. We might have to, if we get weirdly pressured about it. (It's possible LJ would decide that linking against someone's will is a punishable offense or something like that... not that LJ defines DW policy, but someone might get their LJ account suspended for DW activity. Which sounds insane, but after Strikethrough, I don't take anything for granted.)

In which case, we might make a special list of people who've demanded to have their links removed, and spotlight them even more than linking to a post (which can be locked) would do.

Re: Curiosity killed something or other.

[fifi]

In which case, we might make a special list of people who've demanded to have their links removed, and spotlight them even more than linking to a post (which can be locked) would do

Oh, well then. You are certainly made of equal parts of win and awesome. lol Thanks. 8D